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His to lose

If Finals ended today, Mauney would claim the World Championship

LAS VEGAS (November 4, 2009) - On the eve of the final weekend of the 2009 PBR World Finals, it appears as though the World Championship is J.B. Mauney’s to lose.

Although the North Carolina native still trails Kody Lostroh by 429.25 points in the world standings, he is atop the standings for the Finals average, while the Colorado cowboy is fourth in the average, 750 points behind.

Those points, subtracted from Lostroh’s lead in the world standings, would give the 22-year-old Mauney a projected lead of 320.75 points.

The bonus points for the Top 10 finishers in the average start with 2,500 points for first place, with each sequential place earning 250 points less.

That means with Lostroh’s current lead of less than 500 points he cannot afford to finish more than one place below Mauney in the Finals average on Sunday.

However, it should be noted that the points separating the Top 2 riders in the world standings could drastically change at any time in the next five rounds.

Aside from points awarded for each ride, each round winner is awarded 400 bonus points, with second through eighth place in each round earning 50 points less than the next highest finisher. Ninth place earns 25 points and tenth is awarded an extra 15 points per round.

With five rounds to go, there are still a possible 2,500 bonus points that can be earned before the overall Finals average is determined.

At this point last year, Mauney was three-for-three and Lostroh was two-for-three. Mauney then rode three of his next five and had a total of four round wins in Vegas, while Lostroh was one-for-four the final weekend. His three qualified scores weren’t enough to make it back to the championship round.

That was then, and this is now.

Round 4 takes place Thursday night at 9 p.m. ET at Thomas & Mack Center. It’s a random draw, and whoever finishes higher in the go round will have a decided advantage in the bull draft for the fifth round.

—by Keith Ryan Cartwright


106 Comments
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 6, 2009
    I'd vote for Kody, too!! The only problem, he'd run in Colorado and that would leave some of us out. But, wait!!! Think we could get him to run for President. Maybe what we need is a good old fashioned COWBOY in the White House!! Just joking, but it's a nice thought. Bet he'd know what to do with someone who killed and injured a bunch of people like those in Ft.Hood.
  • chadro
    November 6, 2009
    I'd vote for Kody too!!
  • webpbr
    November 6, 2009
    Kody a politician? Hmmmmmmm .... I know his political views and for a 24 year old, he knows his stuff. I would vote for him.
  • pavilion
    November 6, 2009
    Hey! judges are at it again,.. last night they gave Mauney 89 points,..to which Jdub say,"I disagree with score JB got, the bull bucked weak, and it should be 87",..Now looking at the DVR and sure I think Lostroh should have gotten 94.0 or more if the judges were looking at Lostroh's as they were at JB's,...
  • reznibd
    November 6, 2009
    JB, all the statistics in the world don't mean diddley squat. Just keep doing what you're doing and when Kody says that he "honestly doesn't care" what you do or do not do on the back of a bull, you can bet he's "spinning" like a politician. If he didn't care, he wouldn't be human.
  • webpbr
    November 6, 2009
    Keith - Kody is tied with Valdiron for second. They both have 353.50 points ( at least that is what they have on the live event scoring numbers). Therefore, instead of Kody getting 2000 points, he would get 2125 points and that would give him the title, but of course 3 more days.

    And yes it is late, 12:43am, and my eyes and body are telling me it is 2:43am.
  • Keith Ryan Cartwright
    November 6, 2009
    Again, it's only if, but I believe it would be J.B. by a mere 19.5 points.

    Kody leads J.B. in the world standings by 480.5 points, but J.B. leads the Finals average with Kody in third. The difference is 2,500 to 2,000.

    You take that 500 point difference in J.B.'s favor and substract Kody's current lead of 480.5 and you have J.B. by 19.5.

    It's 12:30 in the morning and I've been up since 6 a.m. so, "I think," that should be right.
  • elkwalker
    November 5, 2009
    "If the finals end today", If is a big word! It is kind of like horse shoes and hand grenades. The finals are not over, and the last I checked, Kody is still ahead of J.B. in BFTS!
  • webpbr
    November 5, 2009
    Wow, Wow, Wow!!!! What an event!!!!

    If my calculations are correct, if the finals ended today, Kody would win the title by 105.5 points!!!!
  • elkwalker
    November 5, 2009
    The judges need to stop trying to give it to J.B. The bull and the ride were about 3 points to high! It should have been about 86. Kody needs to start being given the respect he deserves! It is J.B. chasing Kody, not the other way around. J.W. even said J.B.'s score was to high. J.B. needs to earn it, not have it given to him!
  • Twiggy
    November 5, 2009
    Wow, what an exciting round tonight. I don't think even the PBR would have dreamed of having such an exciting Finals. I can only hope that it truly does come down to the last bull, (and that we do get to see it live on NBC that is).

    Kody & JB have both stepped up to plate and hit home runs. But, as Ty has said in the past, "watch out for the biscut snatcher." I haven't kept track of what the points are for each round and such, but I wonder what happens if Valderon wins the average which would give him the most bonus points. I'm not saying he could be World Champion, as I think he was a little to far behind to begin with, but if JB & Kody kept swapping round wins, and Valderon wins the average, how does it all shake out? Someone out there that is a math wizzard, please give us some senarios. Would be interesting to look at anyways.

    I was so glad none of the injuries seemed to be to severe tonight. I wondered how Brian Hermans arm could do a 360 while his hand was still in the rope and walk away like pretty much nothing happened. I know these guys are tough, but man, they go beyond that.

    Best of luck to all, and I can't wait til tommorrow night with the rank pen.

    Twiggy

  • JO_JO
    November 5, 2009
    GO J.B.--I HOPE YOU WIN IT ALL!!!!
    I won't talk about who i don't like but we all have them...just admit it!!
  • Shannon K
    November 5, 2009
    Joan Simpson: (!@#uming joan0711 is you...) Thanks for responding and not taking my earlier comment amiss. I agree that you don't truly *know* a person by watching them on TV; however, I do think you can learn a lot about a person's character by just watching them. Fans who watch regularly can see how a rider treats and speaks of his fellow competitors (at least on camera), how he responds when he encounters adversity (like having a frustrating buckoff or getting a bad call), how gracious he is when asked stupid questions during an interview, etc. You are so right that watching the PBR is a treat, something to be enjoyed! I know I'm risking your ire again here, but I do find it curious that you won't "run down" active riders but don't extend that to former riders.
  • homer299
    November 5, 2009
    KRC you are right. There was no conspiracy tonight. As you said, it was live TV and they interviewed both guys when they could.

    BTW - I think you are doing a great job with your coverage KRC.

    On another note. WOW that was exciting tonight? I love this!
  • Keith Ryan Cartwright
    November 5, 2009
    2tscowgirl,

    "Well, I just watched the 4th round of Vegas. The first person they interviewed was JB. Kody won the round."

    It's live TV and they had no choice. Kody won the round and so his immediate responsibility is to do an in-arena interview for those in attendance. He then has to pose for photos with the presenting sponsors after being given his buckle and check for winning the round. Versus conducted the J.B. interview while this was going on and then followed with Kody as soon as he was done.
  • Shannon K
    November 5, 2009
    Is joan0711 Joan Simpson?
  • joan0711
    November 5, 2009
    I guess what I don't understand is what causes a person watching the PBR or even going to an event to seem to dislike someone so much. Why would you want to speak out in such a manner to show so much dislike of a person that you are just watching. You really cannot know a persons character unless you know them well.
    I just have a very positive attitude and by watching the riders in the PBR I just don't feel the right to criticize them. Also there are a lot more things in my life that are more important than bull riding. I treat it as a sport to watch in my down time. It is an enjoyment and down time that I started watching 5 years ago and I am not watching it to work myself up to criticize or pick it apart.
    If I begin to not like what I see, I certainly would not blog and tell everybody what I did not like, I would not watch it at all.
    If you have read my blogs you know I have never run down any bull rider. I just can't feel that way about them.
    2tscowgirl, All I can say is I am sorry you feel the way you do.
  • Shannon K
    November 5, 2009
    2tscowgirl: I really don't see your beef here (man, now I'm punning like Justin McKee...). JB finished second in the round, and there hadn't been time to interview him before Kody's ride. Kody was interviewed just after JB and, though I didn't set a clock to it, seemed to me to get a longer interview than JB. When those two are competing so closely for the Finals and World Title, I don't see how either *doesn't* get interviewed. And your husband's analogy isn't perfect...both Kody and JB defeated their opponents tonight.
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 5, 2009
    Well, I just watched the 4th round of Vegas. The first person they interviewed was JB. Kody won the round. My husband made a good point. He said it's like interviewing the Phillies after the Yankees won the World Series. He has defended JB all year, but even he has decided that I just might be right. As I said before I have respect for JB because it takes guts to ride a bull. But, since Guilherme might be out, I'll be rooting for Lostroh!!!
  • Shannon K
    November 5, 2009
    Joan Simpson: I've read a number of your comments on this site and am getting the impression that you either cannot fathom any fan disliking any rider or that you believe that fans "owe" it to every rider to admire and like them (JW Hart being the exception). Is one of these the case, or am I misunderstanding you? Personally, my opinion of, and level of admiration for, any rider can be greatly impacted by their character, as far as I am able to discern it. I respect the skill and toughness of every rider out there, but if their character is consistently lacking, then I cannot like them (and no, JB for all his faults doesn't fall in this category for me...so I'll save you the trouble of defending him :) ). There have been riders I initially liked who I'm now less keen on for this reason, as well as others toward whom I was initially neutral but now increasingly like because I see in them qualities that I admire.

    I've tried to say this in such a way as to promote discussion so I can understand your position, and I apologize in advance if I've only succeeded in insulting you. If your only quarrel is with people who dislike a rider *and* go over-the-top in expressing their dislike, then I can understand and agree with you...though I think we might have different ideas of what is over-the-top. (By the way, nothing in this comment has anything to do with your exchange with 2tscowgirl below...I just posted on this article because we've been discussing civility.)
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 5, 2009
    Joan, I get so tired of you saying how you've met all these riders. You truly act like no one else has met them. I do not like injustice of any kind. That is what is happening in the PBR. Why do you have your "head in the sand"? You know what happens to people who stick their head in the sand. I don't care that you know Jerome Davis or that you've been to his house. Unfair is unfair. Your remarks about me are unnecessary and are truly the attitude of someone who goes through life without the ability to see anyone's opinion but your own. You don't have to feel sorrfy for my family because they feel exactly as I do. What gives you the right to act as though I have not met JB? You don't have a clue!!! You can have your opinion. I'm not full of anger. I'm voicing an opinion, and the last time I look, I had that right. Who ar you to tell me I have to like JB Mauney just because you do? I feel sorry for the people around you because you are clearly an insecure person who lives to brag about "ALL THE BULLRIDERS YOU KNOW, AND, YOU THINK WE DON'T". YOU NEED TO GET A GRIP ON REALITY!! Talk about anger and nastiness - you take the cake, and it's probably "devil's food". I think you are a phoney. You don't know who I know and who I don't, but everybody knows that you know ALL THE BULLRIDERS. Where do you come off thinking you are the only person in the world to know bullriders? I don't think you are setting a very good example by "exaggerating" how important you are. Your opinion isn't any more valid than anyone else's.
  • Joan Simpson
    November 5, 2009
    2tscowgirl, where in the world are you are you coming from. I don't understand your anger. I am a big Brazilian fan. Adriano was and is my favorit bull rider of all time. I have never met a nicer and more cordial group of young men. It would have been and would be great to see Guilherme win back to back. I don't get the anger inside of you. There is not a bull rider that I do not like. JB and Brian Canter are also nice and polite young men. You have so much hatred in you toward someone that you do not know.
    You are not setting a good example to your children on how you are acting. I feel sorry for the people around you that have to listen to your ranting.
    You have not said one nice thing since you have started blogging. You need to cut your computer off if you can't stand hearing or reading what anyone else says. You have JB Mauney on the brain. Get a life!
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 5, 2009
    So, what I'm getting is, if you don't like, or love, JB Mauney, then you aren't a bullriding fan and just need to keep your mouth shut. If all this bias continues, there will be a lot more empty seats. I already know several people who won't be going to events or Vegas next year because they, like me, feel that things just aren't fair. I know the Mauney fans won't face facts, and accuse us of whining, complaining, but, if the shoe were on the other foot, and Marchi was being awarded high points or re-rides he really didn't deserve, you'd hear screaming from them. But, we don't have to worry about that because he has to be 10 times better than an American to get the same score. No wonder the Brazilian fans didn't "yell" for us down at the World Cup.
  • gj
    November 5, 2009
    I'm amazed at the empty seats. Anyone else notice? In 4 days we will all know who the champion is, but how many will cotninue to follow during the 2010 season?
  • Joan Simpson
    November 5, 2009
    There is not a single bull rider that is not deserving of a title. I admire those young bucks for all they do to make this sport what it is today. As we know this is absolutly one of the hardest sports both mentally and physically plus very dangerous.
    I salute these great bull riders and wish them the best of luck through out their career in riding.
    Now, some of the bloggers this year have been so negative and just plain hateful. I understand favoring any bull rider they want but to direct such unnecessary remarks to others including the riders, PBR organization, writers and other bloggers has just been despicable.
  • pavilion
    November 5, 2009
    trashing is,"Empty words or ideas.
    Worthless or offensive literary or artistic material.
    Disparaging, often abusive speech about a person or group.
    A person or group of people regarded as worthless or contemptible.",

    now you tell me of all the disliking of certain rider is.
    that is a defining ourselves,..anyone with a negative feeling or talking about any of the rider would be just that. ,,aren't we all feeling guilty now????,...
  • nkakalackycatt
    November 5, 2009
    J.B. - ride that bull like it's super-glued to your behind!! J.B will win the finals & it's gonna be time for many to put on their big girl/big boy panties & deal with it!
    Best of luck tonight to all the Nkakalacky bullriders (Shane included).
  • Shannon K
    November 5, 2009
    webpbr: Yeah, I see they changed the banner. I'm glad they listened to your argument that the old one was potentially misleading, but I can't say I'm surprised...the PBR really seems to make an effort to be responsive to comments on here, even if they can't/won't always do just what we want :).

    How to define the verb "trash?" You'll get answers that run the gamut from "saying anything -- *anything* -- less than laudatory about any rider or judge or the PBR or KRC (though, strangely enough, other fans are fair game)" to "if it's true, or if *I think* it's true, then, however caustic, it's not trashing." To me, "trashing" something/someone implies that what's being said isn't true -- you're taking something/someone that is clean and good and trying to make it/them filthy.
  • shelbypbrgirl!!
    November 5, 2009
    way to go JB keep up the great work !!!
    I know you can win!!!
    Good Luck!!!
  • webpbr
    November 5, 2009
    Can someone explain what "trash" a rider means? I think some do "trash" riders, and others leave negative comments, and others give their opinion. However, "trash" a rider can mean a whole lot of different things or it can mean that if one person disagrees with another about a rider, PBR, judges, KRC or anything else they are now trashing. So, would somebody like to take a stab at defining the terms?
  • pbrvegas77
    November 5, 2009
    let r' buck- glad some one has a view of things, you all out there trashing /favoring riders, yep lots of us do, and we should all step back and take a look at ourselves, and also watch the tube(tv) and see what these riders are doing,(they help each other out, one holding on to the rider from getting thrown against the chute or bull's head, one pulling rope, they lookout for each others safety) they all agree they are not up against each other, but the oppositions are the bulls, so it's really up to the riders to draw/draft their ride, so they pick the ones they think will help, but sometimes it doesn't, and that's where the lead cahnges or expands, these bullriders spend times with each others on weekends and are like family (brothers)to one another,and here we are, we call ourselves fans and still trash a rider and praise another, I am still at home and can't wait for Sunday to come around, I will be there for the 7th and championship rd,..it's always xciting to see anyone of the riders strutting by,
  • pbrvegas77
    November 5, 2009
    sorry, Wiley didn't fall off all three of his bulls, he rode one but called,"for slap", the other two? he rode them for 7.4 and 7.9, or should I say still came up short.
  • pbrvegas77
    November 5, 2009
    sorry, Wiley didn't fall off all three of his bulls, he rode one but called,"for slap", the other two? he rode them for 7.4 and 7.9, but fell.
  • let r' buck
    November 5, 2009
    I think some people have way toooo much time on their hands worrying about some of this. Everyone has their ideas but do you really have to go into such detail about it? I really could care less what a bunch of people I don't know think. Relax and enjoy the show - like the riders do. I am thinking that they are having more fun than some of the fans!
  • pbrvegas77
    November 5, 2009
    I truely think that it's up to JB to win and also his to lose, it's all in the draws and drafts and how he draws/drafts will either help him or cause him to lose,..same for everyone else in the top 6, like Marchi he has had 3 bulls that didn't help him and he is losing grounds fast, also Wiley he has fallen off all three,.. and they can rebound and ride their next 4 bulls, if Lostroh and Mauney starts to stuggle some,,... it's a big time thing to stay on top, so GOD Bless to all the riders and maybe they all have a few more rides to accomplish their goal.
  • chrisl
    November 5, 2009
    Sorry to burst anyones bubble, but J.B. is
    not a rude, bratty kid. He is very kind and
    polite, and yes, I have personally met him!
    And no, I am not bias. I like all of the
    riders but I refuse to talk trash about any
    of the riders, they are all doing their job.
    And yes, I am a J.B. MAUNEY fan and I hope
    that he wins the finals, but if he does not,
    congradulations to the one that does win.
    No name calling here because I have a since
    of pride for all the bullriders and I will
    not make of fool out of myself by saying the
    negative things about any of the riders. Now,
    my last comment for now-- GO J.B. MAUNEY, WIN THE FINALS (AND) MAY THE BEST ONE WIN!
  • becca_boo13
    November 5, 2009
    I really wish people would stop bashing J.B I don't know him personally but I did meet him at one of the events and he was perfectly nice and polite, I could tell he was tired and probably sore but he was still nice and friendly. He is my favorite rider and I hope he wins because he's been 2nd and 3rd the past two years, but I also like Kody and hate to see him lose after being #1 for most of the yr so I'll be happy if either one wins
  • Joan Simpson
    November 5, 2009
    2tcowgirl, I don't think anybody even cares whether you like JB or not and I am certain that JB would not care.
    You just want to fight with words. That fits you a political rally. Let some of your pent up feeling out at a rally instead of telling us how you feel.
    It is really getting old reading your constant complaints.
  • PBRmax
    November 5, 2009
    Sure J.B. is a gutsy rider but he's a rude, bratty kid. Kody has picture perfect style and is a humble professional. I'd rather have him on my team. Go Kody!!!
  • PBRmax
    November 5, 2009
    Sure J.B. is a gutsy rider but he's a rude, br!@#y kid. Kody has picture perfect style and is a humble professional. I'd rather have him on my team. Go Kody!!!
  • ford girl
    November 5, 2009
    i really think that jb can win it all as long as he keeps his head held high and keeps kickin butt!
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 5, 2009
    The thing is this: If you are a JB fan then you don't see the bias. You don't see that some of the calls are very unfair. I understand that. Doesn't make it right or fair, but I do understand. I'd probably feel the same way, if it were Guilherme Marchi. I get tired of hearing how so many of you say "I've met so and so". That's wonderful, but, some of us have met them, too. We have a different opinion and it is based upon the fact that we have met these riders, also. You don't have "braggin' rights ab out meeting them any more than anyone else. I've been involved in rodeos and bullriding all my 67 years on this earth. My grandfather was a rodeo rider. My dad was a rodeo rider. Skip my girls who just enjoy riding horses. Now my granddaughters are barrell racers. Two of my grandson have won a lot of cuttin' horse titles, and one of my grandsons ride bulls. He isn't in the PBR, yet, but he has ridden some PBR bulls at various "lower" events. My youn gest grandson is a "mutton buster". No one has to convenience me about this sport. I respect JB just for having the guts to get on a bull. I still do not like him individually and I don't want him to win. Maybe I've just seen a different side of him. I tell you who I really enjoyed meeting beside Marchi, of course. That was Ryan Dirteater. Talk about a nice guy. I've just been sick about his injury. Well, I have a political rally to go to because I do have a life outside of bullriding. Sometimes I think some of you need more in your lives so you could get a perspective on things. You know, some of you like JB . Some of us don't. That's just how life is so why can't ya'll just let it go. JB does get favored. You all say tghe bullriders don't talk about each other. That tells me that you don't know them like you try to convince us you do. I personally know differently. No, they don't do it in public, but, in privacy, it is different. I just wish some of you'd quit bragging about "how well you now these riders". It is clear to me, you don't have a clue.
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 5, 2009
    The thing is this: I you are a JB fan then you don't see the bias. You don't see that some of the calls are very unfair. I understand that. Doesn't make it right or fair, but I do understand. I'd probably feel the same way, if it were Guilherme Marchi. I get tired of hearing how so many of you say "I've met so and so". That's wonderful, but, some of us have met them, too. We have a different opinion and it is based upon the fact that we have met these riders, also. You don't have "braggin' rights ab out meeting them any more than anyone else. I've been involved in rodeos and bullriding all my 67 years on this earth. My grandfather was a rodeo rider. My dad was a rodeo rider. Skip my girls who just enjoy riding horses. Now my granddaughters are barrell racers. Two of my grandson have won a lot of cuttin' horse titles, and one of my grandsons ride bulls. He isn't in the PBR, yet, but he has ridden some PBR bulls at various "lower" events. My youn gest grandson is a "mutton buster". No one has to convenience me about this sport. I respect JB just for having the guts to get on a bull. I still do not like him individually and I don't want him to win. Maybe I've just seen a different side of him. I tell you who I really enjoyed meeting beside Marchi, of course. That was Ryan Dirteater. Talk about a nice guy. I've just been sick about his injury. Well, I have a political rally to go to because I do have a life outside of bullriding. Sometimes I think some of you need more in your lives so you could get a perspective on things. You know, some of you like JB . Some of us don't. That's just how life is so why can't ya'll just let it go. JB does get favored. You all say tghe bullriders don't talk about each other. That tells me that you don't know them like you try to convince us you do. I personally know differently. No, they don't do it in public, but, in privacy, it is different. I just wish some of you'd quit bragging about "how well you now these riders". It is clear to me, you don't have a clue.
  • Rebelnbobbi
    November 5, 2009
    Oh I forgot........ GO KODY and good luck to all riders. Ride safe ride smart and do your best. Thanks to all the cowboys who put it on the line week after week for us to enjoy this great sport of bull riding.
  • Rebelnbobbi
    November 5, 2009
    Oh I forgot........ GO KODY and good luck to all riders. Ride safe ride smart and do your best. Thanks to all the cowboys who put it on the line week after week for us to enjoy this great sport of bull riding.
  • webpbr
    November 5, 2009
    Shannon K - The PBR has now changed the banner for the Challenger Championship, on the other PBRNOW.com website. Big brother is watching and listening. LOL

    BullRidingisArt - I think, in general, the PBR is a great organization, otherwise I would not have spent the time and money to go to 5 events this year, including the finals. Regarding some thoughts:
    PBR: Some good decisions, giving the guys the opportunity to make better money than they thought possible. Putting on a great show at the events. Bad decisions, spliting the finals on round 2 to CBS, taking sides in the DirecTV/Dish problem.
    Judges: They get things right, most of the time, sometimes they don't. San Antonio was a bad call, and just about everybody agrees with that. Reno, was a correct call on the time, bad call on the JB's score. Several days ago, Cody Lambert stated in the Pro Bull Rider magazine that JB should have gotten, at best, an 88. I guess you don't have to have a degree to see that.
    Riders: I have never called any rider names, and about the worst thing I have said is that I don't like JB. I have spent time with some of the riders and family members. Believe it or not, there are some unhappy people with the PBR and some of the calls, but who are you going to complain to (and I am not talking about Kody). You don't bite the hand that is feeding you. I also have been told stories of some of the riders and some are not very flattering. If the general press got ahold of some of them, they would destroy some of the riders.
    KRC: I have complimented him and criticized him. Keith is paid by the PBR, he is not an independent writer. He has shared his personal views on his comments on here and IMO, Keith is no more of an expert in bull riding than many people that leave comments. I am sure Keith is a good guy, but when you write things for public comsumption, you will be criticized.
    I am not a cheerleader for the PBR or anyone else, I try and be fair and call it like I see it. Sometimes I get it wrong and expect to be critized on here, but I can take it. Debate and discussion, in an honest fashion, are good and healthy for all of us and the PBR.
  • Rebelnbobbi
    November 5, 2009
    I could get into this conflict of whos better or whos going to win but decided to let the riders decide it on their bulls. Kody has an appropriately named bull for tonight called Mission Accomplished with a better bull score than JB has so after tonight what this guy put on this article could be meaningless. So lets all enjoy the finals and let Sunday be one of the best final rounds any of us ever saw.
  • kpropes
    November 5, 2009
    Okay this is ridiculous...everyone just needs to stop complaining about weather Keith is rooting for JB or Kody. He has a right to want someone over someone else how about you try writng articles for the PBR and see how unbias you can be. This is the only way that I have to stay in touch with the PBR and you guys with your annoying complaining comments are making it frustrating...just enjoy the finals and why don't you find something else to put all your energy into, something that needs it. On another note Thanks Keith for keeping us updated and showing us how much there is still yet to win.
  • KDELAINE515
    November 4, 2009
    Chadro: Your so right and I change my mind they shouldn't write about it because then other fans read it and arguments like this start!
  • chadro
    November 4, 2009
    I think that is what they are doing by commenting?
  • KDELAINE515
    November 4, 2009
    Ok people if you have a problem with how an article is writin then you should right your own! Don't bash just because you think the writer contridicts himself! If you don't like it write about it your self!
  • sue
    November 4, 2009
    The kind of problems you are describing on this comment site are the reason that we are increasingly dis-interested in the PBR. We are now not able to view it anymore on DirectTV and the only source we have is the PBR site so I have only your comments to go on re: the fairness of the re-ride situation.
    We became so irritated at the partiality of the commentators and the judges in the contest for the title w/Justin that we nearly quit then. It had nothing to do with whether Justin was a nice guy or not, it was the bias.
    Re: the lack of a re-ride for Kody, it seems it is just the same old same old. We have been pulling for him for the entire year but if JB won fair and square we would be happy for him also. It is true that one mis-call can steal the entire event from a rider. That is a real shame.

  • CattleCall09
    November 4, 2009
    I'm so proud of you JB. Whatever happens in the end, you are always numer 1 in my book. If you ask me your career stats are much more to be commended on than a world title, its just that most people only look at the title. Keep ridin strong and it'll pay off.
  • redneckaddict
    November 4, 2009
    Is JB the only rider that can win the championship the way you all from the PBR seem to think so what about JB falling off he has before so has all the other riders you make him sound like he is super human or some thing hes just a man and can fold under the pressure you have put on him has happened this year all ready I thought you are suppose to be impartial but do your way
  • redneckaddict
    November 4, 2009
    Is JB the only rider that can win the championship the way you all from the PBR seem to think so what about JB falling off he has before so has all the other riders you make him sound like he is super human or some thing hes just a man and can fold under the pressure you have put on him has happened this year all ready I thought you are suppose to be impartial but do your way
  • sue
    November 4, 2009
    The kind of problems you are describing on this comment site are the reason that we are increasingly dis-interested in the PBR. We are now not able to view it anymore on DirectTV and the only source we have is the PBR site so I have only your comments to go on re: the fairness of the re-ride situation.
    We became so irritated at the partiality of the commentators and the judges in the contest for the title w/Justin that we nearly quit then. It had nothing to do with whether Justin was a nice guy or not, it was the bias.
    Re: the lack of a re-ride for Kody, it seems it is just the same old same old. We have been pulling for him for the entire year but if JB won fair and square we would be happy for him also. It is true that one mis-call can steal the entire event from a rider. That is a real shame.

  • Shannon K
    November 4, 2009
    BullRidingIsArt: I agree that the riders, judges, KRC, etc. seem very qualified for their positions. After watching a ride, I often guess what the score will be, and I can usually get within a point or so. The fact that I, who have no training and have never even seen the PBR rule book, can do that speaks well for the consistency of the judging in the PBR.

    I can't agree with you that fans should never voice disagreement with the riders, judges, PBR !@#ociation, KRC, etc., though. Sports have rules for a reason -- so the sport can be conducted in an orderly manner, so the athletes compete on a level playing field, and so the fans can make sense of what is going on, predict what will happen (e.g., they know that if the rider and bull do certain things they will receive a higher score), and mentally "participate" in the sport themselves. Subjective judging will always present difficulties, but if fans are consistently, honestly unable to make sense of their decisions, that's a problem (not saying that's the case here). I see no reason to give athletes a free p!@# on poor behavior simply because they're athletes, any more than I should get a free p!@# because I'm...well, me :). KRC and the VS announcers are the lens through which most of us see and understand this sport and its participants, and if they're biased or not doing their job, that needs to be addressed, whether or not we have personal credentials as journalists or broadcasters (again, not saying that's the case here).

    But you make a good point that criticism -- of riders, judges, *and* other fans -- can go too far and become personally hurtful. In the past, I've read what I felt to be inappropriate, combative, harsh criticism from Lostroh fans, Mauney fans, Marchi fans, Brown fans, etc.; I've been guilty of this myself as well. It takes effort from all of us to promote good, intelligent conversations about the sport we all enjoy so much!

    On re-reading this, I sound much more lecture-y than I intended. Sorry about that! Also, congrats on having earned your Master's degree -- that's a great accomplishment!
  • Fan
    November 4, 2009
    It's JBs to lose. . And he's gonna lose!! LOL
  • KDELAINE515
    November 4, 2009
    JB did so good last weekend and he deserves the win.

    Good luck JB!
  • tomkurowski
    November 4, 2009
    Well JB has certianly changed his draft style since last year (going for the gusto) and I think if he sticks to his plan he should win.

    Good Luck JB it has been our pleasure to watch your professional career blossom.

    Get ya Some !!!!
  • jinx
    November 4, 2009
    It's JB's to win..,and win he will !!!!!!
  • CD
    November 4, 2009
    For the record, one of the judges (BFTS events use 4 judges, lower level events use 2) has to mark the bull an 18.5 or lower in order for the rider to be offered a reride. This is a fact.
  • StLouisPBRfan
    November 4, 2009
    GO JB!!!!!! He's a really good rider They all get breaks. Get off his back and let him "do his job" as he always says.

    I like Kody too, so it's a tough final. Take care and keep healthly, boys. I'll be watching in St. Louis....not able to make Vegas this year.

    Keith, thanks for the stats story. Appreciate the good work...keep it up.
  • Mofan
    November 4, 2009
    WWF here we come! Electric Cowboy - here we come. Glitz and glamor - here we come. You are right - this is no rodeo.
  • BullRidingIsArt
    November 4, 2009
    Shanon: I was refering to the people listed are definitely experts in their fields..The professional bullriders, the professional judges, the managers of PBR, and Keith has great credentials for his skills. It is really hard to set back and listen to people put down these experts as if they have more expertise and education in these fields. The put downs and all the negative comments against these people wear on me especially when there are so many great things accomplished by each one of them. It also bothers me on how some fans think they are experts when they are clearly not. The constant repetitive criticism clearly gets old and wearing. You are right a Doctorate does not give you expertise on all subjects. By the way I have a Master degree with hours toward a
    Doctorate. (not sure there is the money or time to get it but it may happen)
  • sue
    November 4, 2009
    The kind of problems you are describing on this comment site are the reason that we are increasingly dis-interested in the PBR. We are now not able to view it anymore on DirectTV and the only source we have is the PBR site so I have only your comments to go on re: the fairness of the re-ride situation.
    We became so irritated at the partiality of the commentators and the judges in the contest for the title w/Justin that we nearly quit then. It had nothing to do with whether Justin was a nice guy or not, it was the bias.
    Re: the lack of a re-ride for Kody, it seems it is just the same old same old. We have been pulling for him for the entire year but if JB won fair and square we would be happy for him also. It is true that one mis-call can steal the entire event from a rider. That is a real shame.

  • sue
    November 4, 2009
    The kind of problems you are describing on this comment site are the reason that we are increasingly dis-interested in the PBR. We are now not able to view it anymore on DirectTV and the only source we have is the PBR site so I have only your comments to go on re: the fairness of the re-ride situation.
    We became so irritated at the partiality of the commentators and the judges in the contest for the title w/Justin that we nearly quit then. It had nothing to do with whether Justin was a nice guy or not, it was the bias.
    Re: the lack of a re-ride for Kody, it seems it is just the same old same old. We have been pulling for him for the entire year but if JB won fair and square we would be happy for him also. It is true that one mis-call can steal the entire event from a rider. That is a real shame.

  • homer299
    November 4, 2009
    I'm just anxious for this to get started.

    I'm a fan of all three guys, and each one deserves the title if he goes out and gets it in the next 5 rounds.

    Stay healthy and good luck boys!
  • tllykr
    November 4, 2009
    BullRidingIsArt, I never thought about it like that, but you may have something there. I always thought that Keith was standing by his guns (something a few more people in this world could learn to do). I was thinking the exact same thing about the little boy who cried wolf one too many times today also, but I figured it wouldn't do any good to say so because nothing else has helped. Maybe it will. We can only hope.
  • Shannon K
    November 4, 2009
    BullRidingIsArt: Well, as someone who criticized KRC, albeit tentatively, I'll respond: I'm not now a Ph.D., but as of next week I'll have a Master's degree, and I'll hopefully be earning a Doctorate over the next couple years. Are you, by chance, a Ph.D.? If so, congratulations to you, though I don't see what the presence or absence of a Doctorate degree has to do with one's ability to understand or criticize bull riding.
  • BullRidingIsArt
    November 4, 2009
    Maybe the reason Keith supports JB is because of all the unfair criticism he receives and after so long it must be addressed with positive reinforcement for JB.
    One thing is for sure JB is in great company. The complainers attack and degrade JB, attack and degrade the judges, attack and degrade the PBR organization, and now attack and degrade Keith's writing skills. Wow, wonder how many Doctorate degrees these people have to acquire such authority.
    Actually, they have lost their credibility because all they do is complain and complain about the same thing (the boy who cried wolf)
    and on one really listens anymore.
    JB, PBR, PBR Judges, and Keith, hold your heads high because you are great in your area of expertise.

    GoGoGooooo JB!!! Win the World!!!!!!
  • Lostroh Fan
    November 4, 2009
    2tscowgirl: as much as i want kody to win the world ive done the math and this is right where jb is the event standings he would win it and the Keith is not favoring one rider over another he is just saying what would happen. (sorry for posting twice my username was supposed 2 say lostroh fan)
  • Lostroh
    November 4, 2009
    2tscowgirl: as much as i want kody to win the world ive done the math and this is right where jb is the event standings he would win it and the Keith is not favoring one rider over another he is just saying what would happen.
  • Twiggy
    November 4, 2009
    Shannon, no, I'm not that good....lol...just know where to look on the net to find all the stuff. I do remember that ride though as Reindeer was one of my favorites to watch.

    Best wishes to all, if I get a chance, I'll check in from Vegas.

    Play nice now kids......lol

    Twiggy
  • sue
    November 4, 2009
    The kind of problems you are describing on this comment site are the reason that we are increasingly dis-interested in the PBR. We are now not able to view it anymore on DirectTV and the only source we have is the PBR site so I have only your comments to go on re: the fairness of the re-ride situation.
    We became so irritated at the partiality of the commentators and the judges in the contest for the title w/Justin that we nearly quit then. It had nothing to do with whether Justin was a nice guy or not, it was the bias.
    Re: the lack of a re-ride for Kody, it seems it is just the same old same old. We have been pulling for him for the entire year but if JB won fair and square we would be happy for him also. It is true that one mis-call can steal the entire event from a rider. That is a real shame.

  • Shannon K
    November 4, 2009
    Twiggy: Wow, you have a great memory -- I had to look through the stats archives to even find those instances, and you even remember the individual judge scores! Thanks for the info!
  • Twiggy
    November 4, 2009
    Hey Shannon, not to be nit picky, but when JB got his reride on Reindeer, the judges scores were 21.50 and 19.75, for a total of 41.25. The 19.75 scored judge is the one who threw the reride flag. They just don't give rerides unless the bull falls below 20.

    Twiggy
  • louisiana fan
    November 4, 2009
    You are right on homer299, that's all over and done with, lets get on to the now. We'll see what happens starting tomorrow night. I sure hope JB keeps on riding good. This is a good pic of him whomever took it.I hope all riders do well but I hpoe JB does better! Go JB!
  • homer299
    November 4, 2009
    If...If...If...If I were 20 years younger, I'd still be riding bulls...If I had a dollar for every if, I'd be rich...If JB hadn't gotten so many calls go his way over the season it would be a two horse race right now...If JB didn't get a reride in round 3 it would be a different story...If Kody had gotten a reride in round one it would be a different story...if...if...if
  • dsw
    November 4, 2009
    OK, starting to get kinda snarly here.

    Am tired of people bashing JB. Have meet the young man more than once at various events. He has always been nice & polite.

    I've been around cowboys & rodeo for over 40 years. Riders aren't saints, just people. SO many of the PBR riders are just kids, I would fully expect attitude.

    O.k. off my soapbox now.
  • Shannon K
    November 4, 2009
    webpbr: Okay, one last thing. I agree that it would be awesome if both the rulebook and judging were absolutely unambiguous, if there were never any room for second-guessing or disagreement. I'm glad you bring up intelligent questions about the rules and how exactly they should be applied. But complete clarity doesn't happen even in football -- I'm sure you've seen instances where it truly is impossible to determine whether a runner still had possession of the ball when his knee touched the ground, whether a penalty for p!@# interference was warranted, whether a player had made a "football move" and should thus be considered as having had possession of the ball before fumbling rather than the p!@# just being incomplete, etc.
  • Shannon K
    November 4, 2009
    webpbr: Thanks for explaining. I understand most of your argument, and I admit I've occasionally felt KRC expressed too much of his personal opinion in his comments...though since most of his comments are simply answers to all our questions, and since I can appreciate the difficulty in finding a balance between being both a fan of a sport and a writer for the official sports organization, and since I'm not exactly un-opinionated or perfectly objective myself even when I try to be, it's hard to do very much complaining. I don't, however, feel it's fair to expect KRC to start arguing with JW during the interview -- after all, the point of the interview is that JW is an expert, and it's KRC's job as an interviewer to ask intelligent questions and let the expert do what he does best. Regarding the rest, I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree.

    I'll look forward to eyewitness accounts from you and TWTX from Las Vegas!

    Oh, and I've seen multiple rerides given for a score in even the low 80s. For example, Kody was granted a reride in Uncasville just a couple weeks ago with an initial ride score of 82. In 2007, JB got a reride aboard Reindeer Dippin even with a bull score of 41.25 and a total ride score of 83.75. At the Worcester event in 2007, Justin McBride declined a reride and kept his score of 85!
  • webpbr
    November 4, 2009
    I guess I need to just chill. I am used to a rule being defined so that you know what the rule means. In football, a touchdown is defined in such a way, that everybody knows what it means (just an example). The problem I have is that the rule book is stated in a way, that if you take it literally, the reride should have been given, despite the 84 score. I have trouble with judges defining it how ever they personaaly see it, and not exactly the way the rule book says. I have seen to many examples in sports, of the game being decided by a judge, ref., umpire etc.. and the call was wrong, and the league says, after the fact, well ... we got it wrong, but we can't change the outcome. Anyway, I hope Marchi can get back on track and I hope the draw is more even for all the riders, not just the top 3. And yes Joan, I hope I do get to meet JB, and no, I will not do anything to his legs or arms, that will prevent him from riding. (jk)
  • Joan Simpson
    November 4, 2009
    You are right. When a judge scores the bull 19, it is usually in the 70's not 80's.
    I like Kody and JB may the best man win.
  • Twiggy
    November 4, 2009
    I can count on one finger how many times I've seen a rider get a reride with a score in the 80's. It just doesn't happen. When Cody Lambert puts together the pen of bulls for the finals, he tries to get equal type bulls. That's what he says in some articles I've read. But some bulls are going to be ranked a little higher than most and some are going to be ranked lower than most. I went to probullstats.com and looked at the average score for the two bulls all the talk is about. Chesters average 22.2 which would equal a 44.4, and Red Kat 21.47 which equals 42.94. Not much difference. The scores on the first night for the bulls were 43.75 and 41.50 respectively. Difference of 2.25 pts. But the overall scores were 5.75 pts different. So in the grand scheme of things, the bulls AVERAGE scores are only 1.46 pts different.

    The normal rerides that we all see are when a judge scores a bull lower than 20, but I've seen some that go into the 19's and don't get offered a reride.

    Just some of the facts.

    Twiggy

    I'm not on either side of the fence on this one, Kody or JB, either one will be a great champ. Just wanted to point out what I see.
  • pbr731
    November 4, 2009
    GO JB!!!!! I hope you win it ALL!!!!
  • walkamungus
    November 4, 2009
    Don't forget that JW tends to say "That's why I'm not a judge." ;)
  • walkamungus
    November 4, 2009
    A first-time visitor here might conclude that the PBR is some twisted product of Soviet-bloc ice skating judging and the Black Sox.

    Except for the first sentence, which is speculative (and marked as such by the word "appears"), there's no statement in this article that's anything other than mathematically accurate, as far as I can tell. I do wish it were a bit clearer that paragraphs 2 & 3 refer to "if the Finals ended today" and the following paras refer to the coming weekend.

    Hey, it’s sports. “If the season ended today” is standard across the board – this player would be MVP, this team wouldn’t make the playoffs – as is “a lot can happen between now and then.”

    I’d say “Let the best man win,” but I won’t, because that might get misinterpreted.

    Grandmas, start your calculators!
  • Joan Simpson
    November 4, 2009
    Maybe that is a JW rule, since he has said that over the years. Of course, that is not the only reason to get a reride. The bull actually going to the ground to cause the buck off and a bad out that justifies causing the rider to fall off. Just about always when the rider is below 80 on a score they will get a reride. Meaning the bull did not perform. I have seen maybe 2 times when it was below 80 where they did not get a reride and I really do not know why unless it was based on the way the rider rode the bull.
  • webpbr
    November 4, 2009
    Joan - Just curious, where in the rule book does it say that you have to score in the low 70's or below to get a reride?
  • Joan Simpson
    November 4, 2009
    keith just answered twtx's question to why he did not get a reride. Kody made in the mid 80's on that bull. To get a re-ride you have to score low 70's of below that. Actually a lot of riders got in the 80's and did not get a reride. He got the ride. At that point in the game that was very important for all of the bull riders to get a ride. Say kody got a reride and bucked off, which happened to him one time, would you have been mad that he got the reride and bucked off? Give him credit for riding as good as he did.
    I sure hope you get to meet JB and you will find out what a very nice, polite and cordial young man he is.
  • webpbr
    November 4, 2009
    Shannon - I will leave just one more comment, then got to finish packing. I wrote "writer" because from what I am use to in other sports, is the writer of an article does not comment on the comments that are being made. They write an article and leave it at that. Sometimes Keith comments and answers a question, that is fine. However, when Keith leaves a comment and it is his "personal view", then in my opinion, he has crossed over the line from being a reporter and a writer. He gave his personal view, I think it was directly to TWTX about why he did not think Kody deserved a reride. He totally ignored the facts from the rule book or that Kody did not have a chance to score high enough to even place in the top 10, because of the bull. In a previous article, he said that the title could come down to one ride or even a point, but then ignored that the no call could possibly cost Kody the title. Then he interviews JW and JW says that Kody should have gotted the reride, and it was for the exact reasons that were stated in these comments, but Keith did not give his view to rebute JW, he let JW's comments stand on their own. The point is, "IF" you are going to write articles, then write articles and not get into a debate on your personal views with the people commenting.
  • tllykr
    November 4, 2009
    Joan, thank you for saying that. Various people have been trying to get that across for the past few months without success, but I wouldn't hold my breath that this works either. Some people just like to stir the pot.
  • Joan Simpson
    November 4, 2009
    There are a lot of "If's" in our lives.
    This is bull riding a sport and Kody and JB are not the only two riders out there that have "IF's" starting from the start of the season.
    Forget the past and go on with the future tomorrow night.
    Enjoy it to its fullest. webpbr you amd your wife are going so you will be able to see it close up and personel. Maybe if things don't go right you can complain to someone there that will listen instead of letting out your anxieties to other fans of different bull riders.
    There have been a lot of riders that should have gotten a reride and a lot that did not seem to deserve one. It is always going to be that way. It is a sport. You will have a lot more to see and try to enjoy it.
    I don't think these bull riders are getting as worked up as you are.
  • Shannon K
    November 4, 2009
    webpbr: I wasn't suggesting that you don't understand the IF game, and I'm sorry if I sounded otherwise. I don't think KRC's comment regarding Kody's non-reride and this IF article make him inconsistent, as you do, but as you say that is just my opinion. I'm not sure, though, why you mention KRC as the "writer" of this article rather than just the writer of this article. It doesn't sound like you're doubting his authorship, so why the quotes?

    I'm definitely with you in hoping that the world title race doesn't come down to the judges' decision to not award Kody a reride in Round 1! And I'm glad Round 4 is another draft, so the playing field is more level again.
  • webpbr
    November 4, 2009
    Shannon K: I understand the If game. The problem is, some have said that the decision to not give Kody a reride in the first round could cost him the finals, that is how important the call was. Then the "writer" of the article defends the no reride call and part of the argument is that this is a long finals with 8 rounds and Kody knows he has to be patient. Then an "If" article comes out by the same writer. Sounds like Keith is playing both sides of the fence. IMO Also, you are right, JW said that "if" the finals ended today ..... However, he is also the one that said that Kody should have gotten a reride, because he did not have a chance to win or place in the top 10 in the round and get points. So, to me, JW is being consistent, Keith is not.
  • louisiana fan
    November 4, 2009
    2tscowgirl, guess what, even if KRC wants J.B. to win he is not alone. There are a whole lot more rooting for J.B. than it is
    those rooting for another rider.J.B. is just great, he's exciting to watch and I love his
    youthful expressions, no I don't like to see him get angry but you know that moment should have been private. Fustration causes anyone to show emotions just like a great ride causes elation. I hope you have your win J.B. if you do you've earned it and all the respect that goes with it.
  • Joan Simpson
    November 4, 2009
    In 2006 when Adriano rode his last bull and I got in the 90's for the ride, even he did not know if he had enough points to win the finals. He, of course ran in the stands to be with his wife and three children to wait for the score. After the score and cheering was over he ran back into the office where the computer was to see if he had won by points. It was so close just a few points,like maybe 52 points, in the difference between Adriano and Guilherme. In fact Randy Bernard had to come in the office and tell him he won.
    I have it all on film. Randy kidded Adriano when he went out to except the victory because Adriano never has liked the point system and he still says he does not like the point system.
    Camo was a very hard bull to get out on, but the two championships that Justin McBride won was the last ride on Camo. The first championship he won was just a ride and he won by hanging off of the side of the bull. He only had to ride a bull to win.
    I hope this championship is just as exciting. They have to have the ride and the points to win.
    Since 2006 there has never been as an exciting ending to a World Title. It was amazing.
  • Shannon K
    November 4, 2009
    webpbr: I'm going to have to disagree with you. KRC explicitly states that this race is far from settled: "However, it should be noted that the points separating the Top 2 riders in the world standings could drastically change at any time in the next five rounds." Playing the "if the Finals ended today, _____ would win" is something I've seen the Versus announcers do each year I've watched -- in fact, I was thinking just yesterday how surprising it was that we weren't hearing similar commentary this year (maybe this was covered during the CBS broadcast -- I've been so busy that tonight will be the first time I've had a chance to watch my tape of that broadcast).
  • reznibd
    November 4, 2009
    JB - Despite the disappointing "flight" or "out" (never quite sure which term to use) that Crosswired dealt you last Sunday night, you gathered your wits about you and covered your re-ride, Black Smoke, I think is his name. Fortunately, neither you nor Crosswired were hurt when his hind legs went down. I know that I was holding my breath then and when you dismounted Black Smoke. I keep praying for your safety - win, lose or draw, but I do so want you to win. Regardless, thank you for being you and for all that you do for our sport!
  • blog111
    November 4, 2009
    In 2006 the finals came down to the last ride with was Kody on Camo- he was really hard to get out on & he had to re-wrap 3 times, finally worn out, Kody got out on him but bucked off- it he would have rode, he would have won the World Finals & Guilerme would have won the World, not Adriano, that one ride (not even his own) cost Guilerme $1Million- in 2007 it came down to the last ride to determine the World Finals Title- all Kody needed was a ride- he went 7.5 on Wildfire, bucked off got stepped on & Wiley won the World Finals- Justin McBride won the World Title- GM finished 2nd and JB came in 3rd in the World, Kody was 6th- last year Kody had a terrible finals & still finished in 5th place JB was 2nd and had a great finals- Stay Tuned, we've got a lot of bullriding to go!
  • webpbr
    November 4, 2009
    IF, IF, IF. If the finals ended today. Wait a minute Keith, when several of us said that Kody should have gotten the reride in the first round, you defended the no reride call (of course I did not hear you defending your no reride stance during the interview with JW. I guess it is easier to make comments on here to fans than to look JW in the eye and give your views to him) You also said that there is a long way to go and Kody understands this. Now, IF it ended today. Your article about Kody (flawless)is written from Ty's view, this article, since there is no one quoted, this is your view. Sounds like some bias writing.
  • king kazden
    November 4, 2009
    GO JB!!..U CAN WIN IT ALL!!!
  • blog111
    November 4, 2009
    KRC- Thanks for the article! Lot's of grandmothers with calculators will be happy to get the info. Thanks to a previous blog, we found out that the point for the average start at 2500 and diminish by 250 points for each place up to 10th.
  • 2tscowgirl
    November 4, 2009
    Keith, you have to be jumping for joy. Your impartiality is not showing. We all know you want JB to win. I think is very unprofessional for the PBR to be so obviously
    in favor of one rider over the other. Yes, I'm complaining (I know some of you just don't get it because you like JB.). I do not think a professional organization should be so openly biased toward one rider over another. You have really taken the joy and excitement out of bullriding for some of us.
  • let r' buck
    November 4, 2009
    YEA - - go JB we are really pulling for you!!

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